Ethical or not, it’s not like you can do anything to get your money back. You can call them unethical, but I don’t think SW gives a shit. They’re in it for the money. It is what it is.
I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
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Ethical or not, it’s not like you can do anything to get your money back. You can call them unethical, but I don’t think SW gives a shit. They’re in it for the money. It is what it is.
I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
Hahahaha, good one. Trust me, I am very nice to all the sex workers. Sometimes one cannot change the prejudice of certain sex workers no matter how polite, kind and respectful one is to such workers.With your attitude, I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would withhold services/charge you for ones others get for free
Sometimes the sex worker does not like you or is just plain fucking Racist against Indians, and then proceeds to charge extras for standard stuff and/or cuts the booking time considerably by lying about the start time (walk-ins) and leaving the room several times unnecessarily. And then fucking calls time's up way before the end of the booking time!
I suppose, according to several punters here, the sex worker has a complete right to do all those dishonest things.
Normal rules of ethics and fairness do not apply to sex work - This is an expensive sport - Like it or leave it .
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Do you have evidence?
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You can find them in the "falling in love with wg" thread lol
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@Banana -Hey,
I am a bit of an economic nerd so how individual agency set their pricings always fascinate me.
Sort of always have some ideas in my head in terms of "dollar per minute" value but might as well put them on paper for my own reference later. If it helps the community in some way in how they want to use their own hard earned cash that will be a bonus
I will be focusing on the standard GFE pricing structure so won't go into pricings for other services like SM, PSE, bi doubles and extras etc. otherwise this will get super long.
Also will cover the main agencies only. @JohnnyPunter I will have to break my rules slightly and comment on SL and SC to provide a more comprehensive look so please don't use this against me!
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Doll House
30mins - $250
45mins - $300
60mins - $350
75mins - $440
90mins - $530
This is a good place to start as it's the standard pricing model that other agencies like Vamps and O Group follows. It is by comparing these standard pricings you start to see how other agencies deviate from it to set themselves apart, in an effort to get your money or perhaps target a particular category of clients.
The main takeaways from the standard model -
1. $350/60mins is the market standard (about $5.8 per min). And the most economical option because shorter duration actually cost more in terms of dollar per min.
2. The rule of Long Term Commitment Discount doesn't necessary applies in the sex industry i.e. the longer you book the cheaper it should get.
3. The "jump" of marginal pricing from $50 per 15mins between 30mins to 60mins to $90 per 15mins between 60mins to 90mins would suggest DH encourage punters to really only book 60mins or shorter booking.
Obviously most agencies want higher client turnovers to get more house cut and I think this generally applies across the industry.
La Fleur
30mins - $250
45mins - $300
60mins - $350
75mins - $440
90mins - $530
120mins - $700
Same pricing model as DH with 120mins basically double the cost of a 60mins booking.
What set them apart is the interesting two tier "Amour" and "Desire" pricing structure only LF really does -
30mins - $300
45mins - $350
60mins - $400
75mins - $500
90mins - $600
120mins - $800
On first look you may just think "oh it's only $50 more!" but again the marginal pricing actually goes up sharper between 60mins to 120mins, basically $100 per extra 15mins.
Only LF has the sales data to see if the two tier pricing model actually works for their girls i.e. will the promotion give the girls more money by having a higher hourly rate or turn away existing and new clients due to the higher entry cost barrier, especially for longer bookings.
Secret Liaisons
30mins - $220
45mins - $290
60mins - $350
75mins - $500
90mins - $570
120mins - $700
What stands out here is the cheaper rate of $220/30mins booking and the more expensive $570/90mins option when comparing to DH/LF.
45mins is also a bit cheaper before it settled back to the $350/60min standard "GFE Lite".
This pricing model certainly encourages punters to opt for shorter booking rather than the longer one. To encourage more exploration of their roster of younger girls perhaps??
Secret Companions
30mins - $260
60mins - $320
GFE Extra - $50
SC set themselves apart by having a cheaper standard rate of $320/60mins but then put their GFE Extra +$50 option right upfront.
It's an interesting tactic because punters now have to make a choice "will the extra $50 actually be worth it? well... it's only really another extra $20, I mean if I go to DH i will be paying $350 for GFE anyway."
Perhaps most punters ended up paying the extra $50, perhaps not.
Also SC often restricts their new girls to 30mins booking only to maximise the more expensive $260/30mins option, no doubt SC will be able to gauge interest from punters to see how long they can maximise the new girl "honeymoon" period.
Sapphire Blue
30mins - $220
45mins - $270
60mins - $300
90mins - $480
"The cheapest rates in Auckland!" used to be their marketing line I think and they are not wrong but with some caveats I guess.
We're all immediately drawn to their much cheaper $300/60mins and overall cheaper rates across all duration offerings. If all girls are equal in terms of attractiveness and service then no doubt SB is the most budget friendly agency for punters.
However recent observations would suggest that due to the lower base rate (and in turn lower take home pay) this may incentivise the girls to be more aggressive with their extras to make up the difference.
Again punters can make a choice, will the SB offering of $300 + $50 extras of your choosing / 60mins be better off than paying for the standard $350/60mins GFE at the other agencies??
The Apartment
30mins - $310
45mins - $350
60mins - $370
90mins - $450
120mins - $600
TA play by their own rules where shorter bookings up to 60mins option are much more expensive than others but suddenly they decided to apply the Long Term Commitment Discount to booking from 90mins onward!
The message is clear, TA encourage punters to book longer bookings, or at least want to maximise profits for punters that like it short, sharp and sweet.
Their 30mins option is basically a rip off but their 90mins and 120mins offerings are great bargain.
I thought some of their seasonal promotions are interesting although not all are actually worthwhile, but at least they are trying something different, having more choices in general is good for consumers.
Other observations -
- I can see agencies in other major city centres like Wellington and Christchurch tend to have overall cheaper rates than Auckland.
- They also often do interesting package deal to entice punters to pay a bit more. The "Dirty Maid" package for Gigi@iEscape is a grest example, overall it has better value than paying for individual extras, wonder why no agency in Auckland try to replicate that with their most popular girls.
- I did not touch on the high end Asian agencies like Vixens, DB Vips on purpose. Because unlike the non-asian agencies, they often will set different pricing for indivdual girls i.e. some girls can be as expensive as $500/60mins with basic service only.
- Imagine if non-asian agencies adopt this type of pricing model i.e. SC price Ari with $400/60mins rather than $320, will you still book her??
- Obviously having some "VIP service" as part of the Asian escort offering again provide punters with another layer of value proposition.
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Thanks for making it to this far, hope it is useful.
Ultimately I truely believe in the force of free market, so vote with your wallet
Happy Punting.
Yeah, have been unwell and you can only wank so much watching pornhub in bed so decided to do something "productive" lol
You are absolutely correct though, too many other variables that will influence a punter's decision on how to spend his money, be it timings, the facility, girls' availability and of course the service quality and the vibe of the girls.
But if one influential factor we can somewhat objectively measure it will be the pricing. So it's more a reference and starting point for a punter to consider moreso than an analysis of "this is the most cost effective way to hire a hooker"
But if a punter doesn't have any real preference between Asian and Non-Asian then yes service from Asian agencies definitely give you far more bang for your bucks!
anyone know what 90/120 minute bookings at SC might be ?
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I need to credit the below info to another trusted punter (thanks bro if you are reading this!) -
SC
90mins - $680 (with GFE)
120mins - $740 (with GFE)
The price doesn't seem quite right, right...?
What's going on is they will charge you twice with the $50 GFE extra in longer bookings (wtf!?) -
90mins = 320 + 50 + 260 + 50
120mins = 320 + 50 + 320 + 50
This is basically close to a scam but they have the rights to set whatever price they want so I will just vote with my wallet
Thanks for sharing the SC longer booking prices, I had no idea what they were. It would be useful if they just had it on their website 
It's strange how their pricing model only has 30 or 60m blocks of time that just get added up, it doesn't really make sense.
It's strange how their pricing model only has 30 or 60m blocks of time that just get added up, it doesn't really make sense.
I've had this a few times over my punting career, but it is rare.
The Hamilton massage extraordinaire Sarah will happily give you the correct change as needed.
But overall, the clue is in the name: Punting. Every service, every booking is a punt, a gamble. For the same booking time or $ amount, you may have the time of your life, you may get almost nothing. There is no guarantees, no assurances, no consumer rights.
Set your expectations slightly above zero, be as nice as you can, and your enjoyment chances will be maximised.
They don't have the 'right' to do it, but let's be realistic here: It does happen.
But that's why there is cheap punts and expensive agencies: The higher price places vet the workers and try and make sure the punters get decent service.
That's kinda a reason why these forums exist. Reviews
It does happen most certainly.
The problem is one can be as nice as one can be, as sweet as sugar, but the sex worker will proceed to fuck one's day up. And the sad part is that you can actually see it happening in the booking room where you realize, Oh fuck, this girl is trying to cut the booking time and is trying to destroy the experience for me. Ànd you just realized you flushed $350 down the fucking toilet. Well, not all of $350 because you do get to do some stuff. But it's like having sex with an upset or angry seal carcass! Beautiful girl, but might as well be a rigid corpse lol.
But it's punting: no guarantees like you say.
Just gotta hope for the best - get to enjoy or pull the toilet handle to flush lol.
Reviews helps to a certain extent because it depends on who is the reviewer: like you said, there is no guarantee that you will have the same wonderful experience - you might just get the exact opposite from the same girl - you just might get shit. It's a gamble.
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@Niceguy your last post suggests you get why it’s called punting. But hey I’m sure you can draw up a contract with the SW/agency and then when they don’t provide the agreed services take them to court and explain to your wife, friends, colleagues why you visited in the first place and how it’s not fair that she didn’t get your whole cock down her throat when she agreed and got paid for DT.
In this industry bro’s vote with their dicks. Had a good time, may return. Didn’t? then don’t. Ethics ffs?!? Are you for real thinking SWs owe you an ethical duty
. Don’t bother replying as I can’t be arsed with this ridiculous topic any longer. Life’s too short and there’s too much pussy to pound than to get into the ethics of SW any longer.
In this industry bro’s vote with their dicks. Had a good time, may return. Didn’t? then don’t. Ethics ffs?!? Are you for real thinking SWs owe you an ethical duty
. Don’t bother replying as I can’t be arsed with this ridiculous topic any longer. Life’s too short and there’s too much pussy to pound than to get into the ethics of SW any longer.He probably already tried that, but no SW would sign the damn contract. That’s why he’s pissed. Lol.@Niceguy your last post suggests you get why it’s called punting. But hey I’m sure you can draw up a contract with the SW/agency and then when they don’t provide the agreed services take them to court and explain to your wife, friends, colleagues why you visited in the first place and how it’s not fair that she didn’t get your whole cock down her throat when she agreed and got paid for DT.
In this industry bro’s vote with their dicks. Had a good time, may return. Didn’t? then don’t. Ethics ffs?!? Are you for real thinking SWs owe you an ethical duty
Yup.
Too OCD. Just go with the flow and blow your lo-ad. If it's good, rejoice. If it wasn't, shrug.
It takes a pretty bad time to make a fuck not worth while, in my book, I almost always enjoy it.
The angry seals are rare
I have already said what I had to say on the matter. I am glad you enjoy your experiences. I too have had great experiences, maybe not wild sex adventures. But good positive connections even with white girls.
But tell me, have you had your cock pulled out of a sex worker's pussy by the worker While you were busy blowing your load? Did she ever tell you she doesn't do hugging or holding during a GFE session? Did she make it so miserable for you that she actually fucking tells you that she thought i would have left in the middle of the session!?? She all of a sudden makes nipple kissing an extra just as you about to kiss her breasts. She cuts the time so short that she turns a 45 min session into less than 30 minutes: even after you fucking tell her we started later, she lies!
Does she ever tell you not to kiss her face, let alone lips?
These are some of the many things I remember with different sex workers. There are some that I have forgotten too.
Yes, i know it's called punting and it's a gamble. But perhaps it's a bigger gamble for us Indian men.
But gamble we must and gamble we do.
Btw, the few incidents I have mentioned all took place at very popular escort agencies in and around the Auckland CBD.
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Ok so now I get it, youre not only a public servant that loves rules but you’re Indian. I’m sorry to say bro but from the many stories I’ve heard over the years from SWs, your Indian brethren often treat whores like trash and keep
Pushing for more than agreed and often argue about money so that’s most likely why they are Much more guarded with you. Maybe if you find a regular who gets to know you and assuming you’re not a cunt them I’m sure she’ll relax with you and you’ll get a better session on the third and after visits. Must be frustrating but arguing over the contract won’t get you anywhere. Treat em well and they’ll open up nicely.
Pushing for more than agreed and often argue about money so that’s most likely why they are Much more guarded with you. Maybe if you find a regular who gets to know you and assuming you’re not a cunt them I’m sure she’ll relax with you and you’ll get a better session on the third and after visits. Must be frustrating but arguing over the contract won’t get you anywhere. Treat em well and they’ll open up nicely.
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There's plenty of WGs that don't allow nipple play at all, and some that don't allow any type of kissing.
I've had sessions cut short, and afterwards been like "it is what it is"
There's some that don't even allow you to touch their hair, wether it be cos they don't want their extensions messed up or whatever reason they have.
It's easy just to move on from them once the sessions done
mate , stop whining and start fucking .
sounds like you are self-victimising to gain sympathy online
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Whatever adds up more. Two full booking fees to the agency and two full fees to the SW. good business practice tbh. Why cos punters willing to pay for pussy.Thanks for sharing the SC longer booking prices, I had no idea what they were. It would be useful if they just had it on their website
It's strange how their pricing model only has 30 or 60m blocks of time that just get added up, it doesn't really make sense.
That’s what it all comes down too. Is the pussy worth the price ?
Up to each individual punter.
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@Niceguy , every now and then there's a Indian dude crying in the forums about the very same problem. And how unfair life is. Do you reckon this behavior will get you anywhere?
Why don't you try something different?
I admit I'm not in your shoes and it's easy for me to give unwanted advice, but here's some ideas.
Why don't you be open during the booking and ask the girl/agency who is ok with Indian clients? And it's a forum for reviews and requests ffs. Ask fellow Indian punters about recommendations etc.
Well, I don't know if that will get you anywhere, but crying about racism in a prostitution forum will not, I can promise you that.
Why don't you try something different?
I admit I'm not in your shoes and it's easy for me to give unwanted advice, but here's some ideas.
Why don't you be open during the booking and ask the girl/agency who is ok with Indian clients? And it's a forum for reviews and requests ffs. Ask fellow Indian punters about recommendations etc.
Well, I don't know if that will get you anywhere, but crying about racism in a prostitution forum will not, I can promise you that.
plus one - we are fellowship and support group and in this thread we have given Mr NiceGuy a heap of valuable insight on standard operating procedures.
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@Niceguy quite a few of our active community members and regular reviewers are Indian and they don't seem to be having much problems. Some of them seem to get better service than me even! So being Indian is probably not as big an issue as you think.
But there's always some sex workers who will refuse to see you because of who you are. It's just how the world works. As a white guy there are Chinese sex workers who refuse to see me because I'm white. They don't like "sour milk".
There is always going to be a discrepancy between the service sex workers give to different clients. Young attractive guys are going to get a better service than old ugly guys. And rich guys will get better service than poor guys, especially if they make that cash rain.
But that's pretty much the whole reason this forum exists. So we can share our positive and negative experiences to help guide other punters.
But there's always some sex workers who will refuse to see you because of who you are. It's just how the world works. As a white guy there are Chinese sex workers who refuse to see me because I'm white. They don't like "sour milk".
There is always going to be a discrepancy between the service sex workers give to different clients. Young attractive guys are going to get a better service than old ugly guys. And rich guys will get better service than poor guys, especially if they make that cash rain.
But that's pretty much the whole reason this forum exists. So we can share our positive and negative experiences to help guide other punters.
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I don't know. Sounds like he might have bad experiences with them too!
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Tbf, I've seen a couple of Indian WGs private and agency, that have "no clients from india"
So yes
Since I had started punting, I had never booked Indian chicks. I have had Whites, Chinese, Japanese, Chinese/ Korean, Maori, Samoans, South Americans etc. But never Indian lol.
I have had some very good punts and some very bad punts. The very bad punts are obviously a serious waste of money and time, and are extremely regrettable.
But, it's a gamble each time a punter gets into a booking room.
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Yep. That's why we call it punting as Funky says!
But yeah, I hear you. Just look at my reviews. Its probably like 1 bad punt for every 2 good ones.
Probably the best FS booking with an Indian girl I've had was with Honey @ Doll House. She doesn't work often is kind of hard to book though. It is probably in the top 5 of my all time best bookings.
I have always treated all sex workers very well and with respect. In any race group there will be good people and there will be bad people. Likewise, there are very good and decent sex workers, and there are also horrible, possibly even fucking racist sex workers.
I have had some very good and memorable bookings, and I have also had the exact opposite.
It's a serious gamble, for the likes of me, whenever a booking takes place. She might make my day or she might fucking ruin it - I have had both.
Thanks for the advice JohnnyPunter. I really appreciate it. I will see if I can book Honey DH though.
To be very honest, my preference is white girls, that's why I keep booking them. However, that doesn't mean I don't like and book other races.
Recently, I had bookings with a Chinese girl, a White girl, and South American girl.
The Chinese girl was amazing, the South American girl was fantastic. Well, the white girl ruined the whole experience with her - her attitude was so pathetic, her extras were so expensive (even though I paid for some of them). She's the one that also cut the booking very prematurely.
Anyways, it is what it is. A mixed bag. Two out of three ain't bad.
I hear you and you have a fair point.
The manager at a certain popular agency said I won't go wrong with a certain sex worker and that she gives great service and is very much in demand. So I booked her. How wrong the manager was!! That was the girl that pulled my cock out of her pussy while I was still ejaculating! One of weirdest experiences I have ever had. I was looking at her aghast while my body was still vibrating Hahahahahaha! She just turned around to face me, without batting an eyelid, and eventually took the condom off my cock and instructed me in a deadpan voice to throw the condom in the bin.
I can laugh about it now, but it was fucking ridiculous at the time. My body was still shaking when she turned to face me. I mean, what the fuck was that lol!?
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Well, I never punt white girls for a reason and I'm white.
Who was the south American one, BTW?
But at least the manager and/or the sex worker must say in the very beginning that nipple play is off limits. Don't say she does everything and she gives great service, and then when I move in to kiss her tits, she says," I don't allow nipple kissing." I mean what a load of bullshit is that. Be upfront in the beginning. Don't take my hard earned cash and then fuck me around because you know you already have my money.
Yes, I want to fuck but I don't want to be fucked around. I want to maximize the benefits on my money spent. I don't want to flush $300 + extras down the toilet
In my case, I love white girls. They're so fucking hot and sexy even though they come with a lot of attitude hahahaha.
The South American girl was at Pelican Club. A Milf, if you don't mind that. She doesn't do lip kissing nor anal.
That's why I don't mind Pelican Club: you meet the girls before you decide or pay. You talk beforehand and discuss boundaries. Once both parties are happy, I pay and we go into the room to fuck.
If during the discussions, there is no meeting of minds, then I don't book nor pay, and I just walk out the door to face the oncoming traffic lol.
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I'm curious which agency/WG it was
we have a review forum for this exact reason
- Would love to read your review with this girl