What would make the sensual massage scene better?

[LoopLoop]

Here’s what I’d change:

1. Line-Up

Let customers see who’s available and choose who they’d like to book.

2. Respect Customers’ Time

Don’t use delaying tactics or waste people’s time. If someone pays for an hour, they should get the full hour. Don’t end bookings early.

3. Extras pricing

The extras are too expensive. Consider apartment-style combo deals, for example, $200 for two or three extras. Customers need to feel they’re getting value.

4. Give the Girls More Flexibility

As long as nothing illegal is happening, what goes on between the girl and the customer should be up to them.

 

[Aficionado]

Have some ideas but they'd need to pay me a consultancy fee

 

[JohnnyPunter]

Have some ideas but they'd need to pay me a consultancy fee

Yes I reckon I could turn it around but they're not getting my amazing plan for success for free either!

Well I guess I can give them one solid recommendation for free...



No more donuts!

 

[Aficionado]

I accept USD, NZD and pussy

 

[Mkz]

Yes I reckon I could turn it around but they're not getting my amazing plan for success for free either!

Well I guess I can give them one solid recommendation for free...

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No more donuts!

Bottom line is less fattie, more hottie, a simple solution solves all.

 

[reamer]

Haha... same as what other's have said, I'm not going to give free advice.

But why would you want to save them? Let them die a slow death.

 

[LoopLoop]

Haha... same as what other's have said, I'm not going to give free advice.

But why would you want to save them? Let them die a slow death.

I think saying “save them” isn’t quite the right way to put it.

What I really mean is that I’m struggling to find good quality sensual massage places anymore, especially ones with attractive Kiwi girls that provide a good service. It feels like the whole sensual massage scene is dying. So I started this thread not really to focus on any one business, but more because I’d like to see the scene improve again and return to a higher standard.

 

[Banana]

I think saying “save them” isn’t quite the right way to put it.

What I really mean is that I’m struggling to find good quality sensual massage places anymore, especially ones with attractive Euro girls that provide a good service. It feels like the whole sensual massage scene is dying. So I started this thread not really to focus on any one business, but more because I’d like to see the scene improve again and return to a higher standard.

I’ll change the title because I don’t want people to think I want to help a particular business.

I get the allure and comfort at times with sensual massage as a good massage girl can make you feel like a king and you just have to lie there.

But you've already touched on it ultimately it's about value for money. If the total cost of the massage plus a few standard extras is going to cost significantly more than a FS with similar hot girls I know where I will spend my money.

 

[Mkz]

I get the allure and comfort at times with sensual massage as a good massage girl can make you feel like a king and you just have to lie there.

But you've already touched on it ultimately it's about value for money. If the total cost of the massage plus a few standard extras is going to cost significantly more than a FS with similar hot girls I know where I will spend my money.

Exactly, I used to go to old PT place a lot when the minimum option was 100/20min (160/hr).

Imo sm scene is majorly depend on the moment of chemistry between you two, plus the girl's experiences and her natural charisma. So doesn't matter if the agency/shop is dying, I suspect the real good ones either leave the industry soon after they earn enough money or someone else takes them off the market.

 

[LoopLoop]

I get the allure and comfort at times with sensual massage as a good massage girl can make you feel like a king and you just have to lie there.

But you've already touched on it ultimately it's about value for money. If the total cost of the massage plus a few standard extras is going to cost significantly more than a FS with similar hot girls I know where I will spend my money.

I agree that massage + extras is not the best value for money, but it has always been like this. I think it caters to a different market compared to FS clients. It’s the same with Thai massage places. Body slide + HJ + massage is around $230/hr, but many people still enjoy it. So yes, it’s not the best value for money, but there is a market for it.

 

[Aficionado]

Maybe they got carried away with reducing the base service to a very standard experience with everything else costing extra. It used to be known as a space where you could get extremely attractive girls which are difficult to find for FS but eventually this reputation was lost as the girls became average.

Probably viable to have this model in better economic times but people are probably more likely to book FS if it costs the same or less.

 

[sirroddstitzer]

Instead of complaining, what changes could improve the sensual massage scene?

Here’s what I’d change:

1. Line-Up

Let customers see who’s available and choose who they’d like to book.

2. Respect Customers’ Time

Don’t use delaying tactics or waste people’s time. If someone pays for an hour, they should get the full hour. Don’t end bookings early.

3. Extras pricing

The extras are too expensive. Consider apartment-style combo deals, for example, $200 for two or three extras. Customers need to feel they’re getting value.

4. Give the Girls More Flexibility

As long as nothing illegal is happening, what goes on between the girl and the customer should be up to them.

Before the second COVID lockdown, there seemed to be a decent (indecent) recipe that was win-win-win.

 

[Banana]

Maybe they got carried away with reducing the base service to a very standard experience with everything else costing extra. It used to be known as a space where you could get extremely attractive girls which are difficult to find for FS but eventually this reputation was lost as the girls became average.

Probably viable to have this model in better economic times but people are probably more likely to book FS if it costs the same or less.

This man, I remember before covid I dabbled a bit with SM more for the relaxation aspect of it (I also convinced myself it's not cheating since there is no penetration...). Shower together, touching boobs/ass etc. was always part of the experience, some girls even do a bit of light kisses if they vibes.

But nowdays i think those are all extras now, and not cheap too.

In saying that FS is not much better with how they now slowly trim off what normally included as part of GFE and turn them into extras... I had one girl recently told me "sorry 69 is an extra."

 

[reamer]

I think saying “save them” isn’t quite the right way to put it.

What I really mean is that I’m struggling to find good quality sensual massage places anymore, especially ones with attractive Kiwi girls that provide a good service. It feels like the whole sensual massage scene is dying. So I started this thread not really to focus on any one business, but more because I’d like to see the scene improve again and return to a higher standard.

Fair call. Honestly man SM has never been value for money and has always been expensive. Sensual Relax are pretty good with service and has some decent looking girls.

 

[LoopLoop]

Maybe they got carried away with reducing the base service to a very standard experience with everything else costing extra. It used to be known as a space where you could get extremely attractive girls which are difficult to find for FS but eventually this reputation was lost as the girls became average.

Probably viable to have this model in better economic times but people are probably more likely to book FS if it costs the same or less.

I agree. It used to be that the most attractive girls were in SM places, and now you only get land whale charging $150 for an extra. lol.

I wonder why during bad economic times, hot girls would rather do FS than massage? I remember someone mentioned DH girls only take about $200 from a one hour booking. You take around $100 from sensual massage per hour, and if you are attractive it should be easy to get extras from your client, normally $50–$150, so potentially making more.

 

[Aficionado]

I agree. It used to be that the most attractive girls were in SM places, and now you only get land whale charging $150 for an extra. lol.

I wonder why during bad economic times, hot girls would rather do FS than massage? I think someone mentioned DH girls only take about $200 from a one-hour booking. You take around $100 from sensual massage per hour, and if you are attractive it should be easy to get extra from your client, normally $50–$150, so potentially making more.

There isn't a complete overlap as some SM girls will never do FS.

Profit per booking doesn't mean so much if the FS girl who makes less is clearing more bookings every day and doesn't mind the extra volume.

 

[Banana]

I agree. It used to be that the most attractive girls were in SM places, and now you only get land whale charging $150 for an extra. lol.

I wonder why during bad economic times, hot girls would rather do FS than massage? I think someone mentioned DH girls only take about $200 from a one-hour booking. You take around $100 from sensual massage per hour, and if you are attractive it should be easy to get extras from your client, normally $50–$150, so potentially making more.

Very true about the hottest girls were normally found at SM rather than FS.

I will give SM girls some credit though as to some degrees it is a lot more physical demanding and more actual skill required to be successful in SM moreso than FS, and you actually get less money if the clients don't opt for extras.

With FS if you are somewhat attractive you can just lie there and let the guy actually do all the hardwork. 5mins of cowgirl and you can probably say "I am getting tired, do you want to change position??"

 

[LoopLoop]

Fair call. Honestly man SM has never been value for money and has always been expensive. Sensual Relax are pretty good with service and has some decent looking girls.

Met a cute girl at Sensual Relax last year. Tall, smooth skin, pretty face, E-cup boobs, size 8 figure, everything was perfect until she told me that touching her boobs was $100 extra. lol

 

[JohnnyPunter]

Lots of good information here. But Debs and most working girls will scoff at it and completely ignore it. Even though its advice and feedback from their customer base.

Most sex workers only think of the short term so just try and milk all their clients for extras giving a very plain unenthusiastic basic service. They are encouraged to withold everything from clients unless they are paid extra for it. Then they wonder why they get very few, if any, repeat bookings. They seem to forget that first impressions count.

The reality is all the most popular, consistently booked out worker girls are generally the one's that give an amazing service without requiring the payment of extras for it. They just try and give you tur best service they can. And in return they make more money in the long run by getting much more repeat bookings. Meanwhile the greedy girls are sitting on their phones most of their shift wondering why they are getting very few clients and have no regulars.

 

[Notanother]

Hence why you should never stray from FS.

 

[Banana]

Lots of good information here. But Debs and most working girls will scoff at it and completely ignore it. Even though its advice and feedback from their customer base.

Most sex workers only think of the short term so just try and milk all their clients for extras giving a very plain unenthusiastic basic service. They are encouraged to withold everything from clients unless they are paid extra for it. Then they wonder why they get very few, if any, repeat bookings. They seem to forget that first impressions count.

The reality is all the most popular, consistently booked out worker girls are generally the one's that give an amazing service without requiring the payment of extras for it. They just try and give you tur best service they can. And in return they make more money in the long run by getting much more repeat bookings. Meanwhile the greedy girls are sitting on their phones most of their shift wondering why they are getting very few clients and have no regulars.

Hence why you should never stray from FS.

Preach my friends!

In saying that I do wonder if there are a few whale punters out there who just don't give a shit and will happily pay upward $300 extras just so they can touch the tits, DATY and maybe get a few kisses lol

Otherwise I just can't see how SM can be sustainable with those extra pricings.

 

[LoopLoop]

Preach my friends!

In saying that I do wonder if there are a few whale punters out there who just don't give a shit and will happily pay upward $300 extras just so they can touch the tits, DATY and maybe get a few kisses lol

Otherwise I just can't see how SM can be sustainable with those extra pricings.

There is actually quite a market for it. I remember reading a Thai massage thread on sexforum, guys there are crazy about getting cbj from their Thai masseuses, and they're willing to pay something crazy like $200 for it.