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The Apartment Reviews (Part 2)

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6. Lana

Face - 7/10 - Blonde hair, blue eyes, porcelain skin - reminded me of Anna Claire Clouds
Body - 7/10 - Slightly touched up but good proportions and a very nice pair of boobs.
Service - 8/10 - Love to fuck, a playful little minx and just has sex written all over her. Porn star vibes.
Grip - 8/10 - Tight and pink - yummy

Total 30/40

It took a while for me to get a booking with Lana, she is a low volume provider, only works a few days a week and only seems to take a few bookings a day so was glad to get a booking. Her photos hint toward the nice girl on the block whose a total slut behind closed doors and man was I spot on. Wanted to pounce on her in the hallway. After the shower and we were straight into it we were simpatico when it came to getting it on. A bit of sucky face kissing and getting to taste her pinky while playing with prettiest clit I’ve seen. Good BJ and then onto missionary and doggy where I jack hammered till I broke a sweat. She got on top and rode me like she was at the rodeo, just needing a cowgirl hat.

Similar to Arabella just has sex appeal which gets the blood boiling. PSE with her would be fun. Need the stars to align for another booking.

7. Mila

Face 7/10 - Was expecting an Anne Hathaway but was more Angelina Jolie. I’d say age is accurate. (Edit: She is actually more Sasha Grey)
Body 7/10 - Very slim, small tits but a nice round bum
Service - 8/10 - Professional slut. No complaints.
Grip - 7/10 - Easy entry but a tight canal

Total: 29/30

She had good reviews on SF so had to try her out. A few awkward exchanges getting to know each other, she just replied to everything I said with ‘stunning’ and probably said it like 200 times.

Once we started though it was a different story. Straight from the shower and put her up against the wall and made out with her for a bit. Turned her around and played with her pussy while grinding against her from behind. Onto the bed she teased my cock while locking lips. Her BJ was solid and she gives good sound effects (gluck gluck). A woman of that size - standing doggy on the massage table was a necessity, I rammed away as she held on to the table. While her ass is round it is soft so the harder you go you tend to hit bone and you almost push her across the table but she can take a pounding - she's built for it. Put her into missionary on the table and pounded away before back onto the bed and letting her ride me till I finished.

She's quite well reviewed and I reckon most of you lads have had a turn but if you haven’t get in there for a proper pounding session. She works quite a bit so booking isn't a problem. A fellow punter mentioned you could probably get in a booking on her days off or late at night if it is a longer booking.

8. Hazel

Face 7/10 - She's pale with almost reddish hair. Reminded me of Lacy Lennon
Body 7.5/10 - The photos are accurate. She is that toned but she has a lot of tattoos which isn’t quite my thing. Well presented and manicured as well. Enhanced breasts but a job well done.
Service - 7/10 - It wasn't my usual session but it was a pleasant surprise.
Grip - 7/10 - Squishy - like fucking a jelly tub

Total: 28.5/40

Now - I was initially disappointed when she opened the door - the tattoos aren’t quite my thing, however she is quite charming and I was quickly engrossed in conversation and felt a lot more comfortable.

We started on the massage table and you can tell she is experienced, part therapeutic part sensual but deliberately slow. Good body slides but the best part was when she just laid on me like a weighted blanket, it felt extraordinary and I didn't want it to stop. A few front body slides and were on the bed. Some mutual pleasure and then some slow passionate missionary with lots of kissing. She has such a soft body and I loved caressing it. A flip over and her riding on top before I finished.

While I had imagined pounding away looking at those photos online she coaxed me into a more sensual session with her charm, probably what I needed at the time. Take it as you will but there may be a cold night in the near future and she might just be the remedy for me. Worth a massage at the least to see if there is chemistry but bring cash because you may upgrade quickly.

9. Layah

Face - 4/10 - Some simp on SF reckon she is the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. Might need his sight checked. She's not ugly but not what you would expect, think Leana Lovings when you were expecting Kyler Quinn, just not my cup of tea. There is potential there but not exactly a head turner
Body - 9/10 - Photos are accurate - body was toned and tight
Service - 7/10 - She was a bit raw when I visited as you to give direction so the transitions between sex positions were not fluid. Still she aims to please and was easy to be around.
Grip - 8/10 - Like gliding in between two pillows stuck together

Total: 28/30

I won't lie it was a bit of a downer when she opened the door. I contemplated in the shower about how I was going to fuck this girl but back in the room and a bit of small talk I took the lead. She was generous with kissing and her breasts were fun to play with and she seemed to enjoy me licking away at them. DATY was with a dam, I messed around for a little while while playing with myself to get hard. Her BJ was very toothy but I sort of liked it. Put her on her back and into missionary finally got to feel that grip which changed my whole mood. I tried out a few other positions with her but ended in missionary as that grip took all the juice out of me.

My rating system may be flawed but I would rate her about here when it comes to my punts at The Apartment, everything else was spectacular and in retrospect the face wasn't that bad, it's just not what you would expect. She still seems like a popular girl so the reviews on SF don't seem to have affected her.

If you have the cash she’s worth trying as she is very sweet and despite the work she does there is a bit of innocence and naivety there. Might suit a punter who is after more of a laid back and friendly service with some very PG-13 type sex. (Edit: I actually thought more about this since posting the original review and will enquire if she could do a school girl type of role play with big round glasses - might tick off a fantasy of mine - would even pay for the desk and whiteboard for The Apartments premises)

10. Thalia

Face - 7/10 - Way older than advertised so she loses marks there but a pretty face, think Rose Monroe
Body - 7/10 - Flattering photos but not fat just the boobs have seen better days
Service - 7/10 - Open to a lot of positions and was very into it
Grip - 5/10 - Comfy - I guess she's been working a while but it wasn't too bad

Total: 26/40

This was earlier in the year and I can't recall much other than it was a high energy session. I vividly remember asking to fuck those tits which despite the sagging felt amazing to have those cannons between my dick. The BJ was a bit different as she got on her knees as i stood up, didnt quite get to face fuck but she made sure to rub her spit all over my balls. There was a lot of jack hammering and ramming but she was a good toy to drain a full load in.

She doesn't seem to be around anymore but I would assume she’s been in the game for a while. Worth a try if she ever comes back but I assume you lads already have.

11. Nadia (Edit: She is now working as Sienna)

Face - 6.5/10 - Heavy on the make up and face is a bit droopy. Definitely not 22 and reminded me of an older Jenna Haze. Plastic lips were a bit of a turn off
Body - 7/10 - No complaints but a little bigger than her photos. Mosquito bites for tits. Great ass
Service - 8/10 - Lays it on thick with the charm and is very performative during the deed. I can see why she's an SF favourite, all the simps probably think they are her special guy
Grip - 2/10 - The waterview tunnel has a harder entry

Total: 23.5/40

Her pussy is a battering ram you just pound away your frustration in that hole. Again this was a while ago but I just remember hammering away in doggy, missionary, her on top and off the edge of the bed searching for some feeling and she took it like a champion. Outside of protection no boundaries. I think she seems to enjoy being passed around and probably has been in a fair share of gang bangs. At one point when we were in doggy and with my fat stomach rolls laid on her cheeks I got a glimpse of her asshole, it was slightly off putting seeing something like that, it looked like a wishing well, you could easily drop a fifty cent coin in there. I felt a sad for her at that moment (the damage she's done to her body and you can see the lifelessness behind those eyes, she look like she may have had a promising future once) but quickly snapped out of my cuckism and rammed away.

She had a few bad starting reviews on SF (which seem to have disappeared) but looks to have taken feedback and just become a submissive slut. I think she’d do well going down a Bonnie Blue/Lily Phillips/hardcore no limit path, make a few million and retire into the sunset. It looks like she's gone but she feels like the type of girl who will show up somewhere it in her aura (probably roaming the Pelican Club years from now). I would be interested in seeing her for a few fantasies if she's down (face fucking/burgular) and also a potential gang bang with a few of my golfing four.

If she's back, get in there, but I assume she's been passed around more than a football, so if you haven't had a turn (but you would think most of NZ has) get in there and cause some damage. (Edit: Confirmed with The Apartment she is now back as Sienna - like I thought you cant take the whore out of a girl like her she was probably giving it away for free so better she makes some cash - get in there and rearrange those guts - don't hold back).

12. Valentina

Face - 6/10 - SF seems to rate her highly but there seemed to be a lot of acne scars and her teeth weren't great. She has a very stern looking face. Not ugly - thing along the lines of Kimmy Kimm but definitely not one of the most attractive whores going around in my opinion
Body - 6/10 - So she is the last girl seen disrobing in The Apartments promo video and you can see her photos reflect her at that time but since then she seems to have made a tonne of cash and has been eating well
Service 4/10 - The sex was ok but the massage was a complete waste of time. Very robotic. She was polite and was a starfish who put in some effort. Breath was bit funky as well
Grip - 7/10 - Despite being a high volume provider these asian girls have magic

Total: 23/10

Into the room after the shower and she states that she prefers to start with a massage to warm into things. Fine I had heard she was ex-Debonairs and highly rated so thought a bit of teasing would be some good foreplay sort of like a sensual massage with extras for 20 minutes before sex. What followed was probably the most mediocre massage I have ever had messing around with my legs for ages before some disinterested body slides. I turned over and thought seeing as we're going to have sex after we could play a little bit (like a sensual massage with extras). When I tried she basically moved my hand away so she could continue with whatever routine she has. It was a complete waste of time.

Onto the bed and I start making out with her, she's all lip and no tongue. Work my way down and it smells like a fish market down there (you know what I mean). I lay down and she spits on my dick to get it hard before giving an ok BJ. Onto missionary and that asian pussy dont play sucked my old fat cock in and pounded away for a bit before putting her into doggy ramming it and then pushing her flat in the bed and dropping my load.

I expected better - she has mixed reviews but her sensual massage was always highly regarded. Maybe I caught her on an off day but she seemed to be going through the motions. She seems to have been around a while so maybe she's over it (Edit: while its known she was ex-Debonairs she may have been floating around Femmes around 2020 according to a buddy, but this is unverified, nonetheless been in the game a while).

Again it might have been a compatibility issue but maybe it's worth a massage with her just to see if she's worth seeing for FS. (Edit: I wont see her again but reading SF if you has seen her before at Debonairs and enjoyed it she might give you a better service)
 
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More great reviews. I did enjoy seeing Valentina for SM at Debs but the mixed reviews for her full service put me off.
 
Not to derail this thread but I agree with you re: shitty SM from girls from Debonairs... I don't think you can assume just because a girls worked at Debonairs they know how to give a good SM.

Contrary to some peoples experience of SM at Debs - I've personally felt they were shit - essentially just a backrub with oil.
 
Not to derail this thread but I agree with you re: shitty SM from girls from Debonairs... I don't think you can assume just because a girls worked at Debonairs they know how to give a good SM.

Contrary to some peoples experience of SM at Debs - I've personally felt they were shit - essentially just a backrub with oil.
Haha I just went off on sensual massage in another thread about the massage places in Auckland. A caveat though debs and bella nova (oh how I miss that place) has been shit for the past 5 years it was once a superior establishment.
 
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Haha I just went off on sensual massage in another thread about the massage locations in Auckland. A caveat though debs and bella nova (oh how I miss that place) has been shit for the past 5 years it was once a superior establishment.
Agree... what is alleged to be SM today is shit compared to what it used to be (and actually is)... so for those folks who say SM is better than FS because the teasing, etc that brings to new heights that FS can't achieve are full of shit.

Again didn't mean to derail this thread but OMG... I love the new freedom on this forum to just say what's on my mind... so liberating :devilish:
 
Great reviews and love your celebs/pornstars comparison (others have always ask me to use comparisons but I almost always come up blanks), your Layah review may have saved me some $$$, as I have heard contradicting comments about her appearance, your description help me made up my mind, thanks!

Also FS > SM any day.
 
Great reviews and love your celebs/pornstars comparison (others have always ask me to use comparisons but I almost always come up blanks), your Layah review may have saved me some $$$, as I have heard contradicting comments about her appearance, your description help me made up my mind, thanks!

Also FS > SM any day.
Cheers - I try but dont expect doppelgänger it's just based on my opinion at the time, so dont attack me if you think Mila doesn't look like Angelina Jolie that was my takeaway at the time. Thinking about it now she is actually very Sasha Grey.
 
Yes - Im actually pretty confident on this - she probably fucks just as good as Sasha as well. If any other punters want to chime in be my guest.
I have tried booking her a few times but have not succeeded getting a booking yet. I will write a review if i get to see her.

I have always wanted to lick Sasha Grey.
 
6. Lana

Face - 7/10 - Blonde hair, blue eyes, porcelain skin - reminded me of Anna Claire Clouds
Body - 7/10 - Slightly touched up but good proportions and a very nice pair of boobs.
Service - 8/10 - Love to fuck, a playful little minx and just has sex written all over her. Porn star vibes.
Grip - 8/10 - Tight and pink - yummy

Total 30/40

It took a while for me to get a booking with Lana, she is a low volume provider, only works a few days a week and only seems to take a few bookings a day so was glad to get a booking. Her photos hint toward the nice girl on the block whose a total slut behind closed doors and man was I spot on. Wanted to pounce on her in the hallway. After the shower and we were straight into it we were simpatico when it came to getting it on. A bit of sucky face kissing and getting to taste her pinky while playing with prettiest clit I’ve seen. Good BJ and then onto missionary and doggy where I jack hammered till I broke a sweat. She got on top and rode me like she was at the rodeo, just needing a cowgirl hat.

Similar to Arabella just has sex appeal which gets the blood boiling. PSE with her would be fun. Need the stars to align for another booking.

7. Mila

Face 7/10 - Was expecting an Anne Hathaway but was more Angelina Jolie. I’d say age is accurate. (Edit: She is actually more Sasha Grey)
Body 7/10 - Very slim, small tits but a nice round bum
Service - 8/10 - Professional slut. No complaints.
Grip - 7/10 - Easy entry but a tight canal

Total: 29/30

She had good reviews on SF so had to try her out. A few awkward exchanges getting to know each other, she just replied to everything I said with ‘stunning’ and probably said it like 200 times.

Once we started though it was a different story. Straight from the shower and put her up against the wall and made out with her for a bit. Turned her around and played with her pussy while grinding against her from behind. Onto the bed she teased my cock while locking lips. Her BJ was solid and she gives good sound effects (gluck gluck). A woman of that size - standing doggy on the massage table was a necessity, I rammed away as she held on to the table. While her ass is round it is soft so the harder you go you tend to hit bone and you almost push her across the table but she can take a pounding - she's built for it. Put her into missionary on the table and pounded away before back onto the bed and letting her ride me till I finished.

She's quite well reviewed and I reckon most of you lads have had a turn but if you haven’t get in there for a proper pounding session. She works quite a bit so booking isn't a problem. A fellow punter mentioned you could probably get in a booking on her days off or late at night if it is a longer booking.

8. Hazel

Face 7/10 - She's pale with almost reddish hair. Reminded me of Lacy Lennon
Body 7.5/10 - The photos are accurate. She is that toned but she has a lot of tattoos which isn’t quite my thing. Well presented and manicured as well. Enhanced breasts but a job well done.
Service - 7/10 - It wasn't my usual session but it was a pleasant surprise.
Grip - 7/10 - Squishy - like fucking a jelly tub

Total: 28.5/40

Now - I was initially disappointed when she opened the door - the tattoos aren’t quite my thing, however she is quite charming and I was quickly engrossed in conversation and felt a lot more comfortable.

We started on the massage table and you can tell she is experienced, part therapeutic part sensual but deliberately slow. Good body slides but the best part was when she just laid on me like a weighted blanket, it felt extraordinary and I didn't want it to stop. A few front body slides and were on the bed. Some mutual pleasure and then some slow passionate missionary with lots of kissing. She has such a soft body and I loved caressing it. A flip over and her riding on top before I finished.

While I had imagined pounding away looking at those photos online she coaxed me into a more sensual session with her charm, probably what I needed at the time. Take it as you will but there may be a cold night in the near future and she might just be the remedy for me. Worth a massage at the least to see if there is chemistry but bring cash because you may upgrade quickly.

9. Layah

Face - 4/10 - Some simp on SF reckon she is the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. Might need his sight checked. She's not ugly but not what you would expect, think Leana Lovings when you were expecting Kyler Quinn, just not my cup of tea. There is potential there but not exactly a head turner
Body - 9/10 - Photos are accurate - body was toned and tight
Service - 7/10 - She was a bit raw when I visited as you to give direction so the transitions between sex positions were not fluid. Still she aims to please and was easy to be around.
Grip - 8/10 - Like gliding in between two pillows stuck together

Total: 28/30

I won't lie it was a bit of a downer when she opened the door. I contemplated in the shower about how I was going to fuck this girl but back in the room and a bit of small talk I took the lead. She was generous with kissing and her breasts were fun to play with and she seemed to enjoy me licking away at them. DATY was with a dam, I messed around for a little while while playing with myself to get hard. Her BJ was very toothy but I sort of liked it. Put her on her back and into missionary finally got to feel that grip which changed my whole mood. I tried out a few other positions with her but ended in missionary as that grip took all the juice out of me.

My rating system may be flawed but I would rate her about here when it comes to my punts at The Apartment, everything else was spectacular and in retrospect the face wasn't that bad, it's just not what you would expect. She still seems like a popular girl so the reviews on SF don't seem to have affected her.

If you have the cash she’s worth trying as she is very sweet and despite the work she does there is a bit of innocence and naivety there. Might suit a punter who is after more of a laid back and friendly service with some very PG-13 type sex. (Edit: I actually thought more about this since posting the original review and will enquire if she could do a school girl type of role play with big round glasses - might tick off a fantasy of mine - would even pay for the desk and whiteboard for The Apartments premises)

10. Thalia

Face - 7/10 - Way older than advertised so she loses marks there but a pretty face, think Rose Monroe
Body - 7/10 - Flattering photos but not fat just the boobs have seen better days
Service - 7/10 - Open to a lot of positions and was very into it
Grip - 5/10 - Comfy - I guess she's been working a while but it wasn't too bad

Total: 26/40

This was earlier in the year and I can't recall much other than it was a high energy session. I vividly remember asking to fuck those tits which despite the sagging felt amazing to have those cannons between my dick. The BJ was a bit different as she got on her knees as i stood up, didnt quite get to face fuck but she made sure to rub her spit all over my balls. There was a lot of jack hammering and ramming but she was a good toy to drain a full load in.

She doesn't seem to be around anymore but I would assume she’s been in the game for a while. Worth a try if she ever comes back but I assume you lads already have.

11. Nadia (Edit: She is now working as Sienna)

Face - 6.5/10 - Heavy on the make up and face is a bit droopy. Definitely not 22 and reminded me of an older Jenna Haze. Plastic lips were a bit of a turn off
Body - 7/10 - No complaints but a little bigger than her photos. Mosquito bites for tits. Great ass
Service - 8/10 - Lays it on thick with the charm and is very performative during the deed. I can see why she's an SF favourite, all the simps probably think they are her special guy
Grip - 2/10 - The waterview tunnel has a harder entry

Total: 23.5/40

Her pussy is a battering ram you just pound away your frustration in that hole. Again this was a while ago but I just remember hammering away in doggy, missionary, her on top and off the edge of the bed searching for some feeling and she took it like a champion. Outside of protection no boundaries. I think she seems to enjoy being passed around and probably has been in a fair share of gang bangs. At one point when we were in doggy and with my fat stomach rolls laid on her cheeks I got a glimpse of her asshole, it was slightly off putting seeing something like that, it looked like a wishing well, you could easily drop a fifty cent coin in there. I felt a sad for her at that moment (the damage she's done to her body and you can see the lifelessness behind those eyes, she look like she may have had a promising future once) but quickly snapped out of my cuckism and rammed away.

She had a few bad starting reviews on SF (which seem to have disappeared) but looks to have taken feedback and just become a submissive slut. I think she’d do well going down a Bonnie Blue/Lily Phillips/hardcore no limit path, make a few million and retire into the sunset. It looks like she's gone but she feels like the type of girl who will show up somewhere it in her aura (probably roaming the Pelican Club years from now). I would be interested in seeing her for a few fantasies if she's down (face fucking/burgular) and also a potential gang bang with a few of my golfing four.

If she's back, get in there, but I assume she's been passed around more than a football, so if you haven't had a turn (but you would think most of NZ has) get in there and cause some damage. (Edit: Confirmed with The Apartment she is now back as Sienna - like I thought you cant take the whore out of a girl like her she was probably giving it away for free so better she makes some cash - get in there and rearrange those guts - don't hold back).

12. Valentina

Face - 6/10 - SF seems to rate her highly but there seemed to be a lot of acne scars and her teeth weren't great. She has a very stern looking face. Not ugly - thing along the lines of Kimmy Kimm but definitely not one of the most attractive whores going around in my opinion
Body - 6/10 - So she is the last girl seen disrobing in The Apartments promo video and you can see her photos reflect her at that time but since then she seems to have made a tonne of cash and has been eating well
Service 4/10 - The sex was ok but the massage was a complete waste of time. Very robotic. She was polite and was a starfish who put in some effort. Breath was bit funky as well
Grip - 7/10 - Despite being a high volume provider these asian girls have magic

Total: 23/10

Into the room after the shower and she states that she prefers to start with a massage to warm into things. Fine I had heard she was ex-Debonairs and highly rated so thought a bit of teasing would be some good foreplay sort of like a sensual massage with extras for 20 minutes before sex. What followed was probably the most mediocre massage I have ever had messing around with my legs for ages before some disinterested body slides. I turned over and thought seeing as we're going to have sex after we could play a little bit (like a sensual massage with extras). When I tried she basically moved my hand away so she could continue with whatever routine she has. It was a complete waste of time.

Onto the bed and I start making out with her, she's all lip and no tongue. Work my way down and it smells like a fish market down there (you know what I mean). I lay down and she spits on my dick to get it hard before giving an ok BJ. Onto missionary and that asian pussy dont play sucked my old fat cock in and pounded away for a bit before putting her into doggy ramming it and then pushing her flat in the bed and dropping my load.

I expected better - she has mixed reviews but her sensual massage was always highly regarded. Maybe I caught her on an off day but she seemed to be going through the motions. She seems to have been around a while so maybe she's over it (Edit: while its known she was ex-Debonairs she may have been floating around Femmes around 2020 according to a buddy, but this is unverified, nonetheless been in the game a while).

Again it might have been a compatibility issue but maybe it's worth a massage with her just to see if she's worth seeing for FS. (Edit: I wont see her again but reading SF if you has seen her before at Debonairs and enjoyed it she might give you a better service)
Nadia TA Is ex SC Poppy - looks like she is no longer offering Anal on the menu - her Anus definitely looked wrecked when I was jackhammering her in doggy and slapping that ass - She said 'Keep going" and begged for deeper vaginal penetration when I had her hand locked behind her back with a perfect arch, her hip to ass ratio is similar to Beyonce SC.

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Her new profile pics looks a bit unattractive, compared to her previous TA and SC profile you can still find her SC profile on web archive.
 
If you got to see her at SC when she was new you probably got to see the best version of her. Look she is pretty but not overtly stunning and even the new photos are flattering. I would guess shes is a bit 'worn' now.
 
If you got to see her at SC when she was new you probably got to see the best version of her. Look she is pretty but not overtly stunning and even the new photos are flattering. I would guess shes is a bit 'worn' now.
Have you seen Porcha at TA she is ex SC Sammi - Punters in here have dug a wok out her vaginal cavity,she is a TNT sex machine
 
Have you seen Porcha at TA she is ex SC Sammi - Punters in here have dug a wok out her vaginal cavity,she is a TNT sex machine
She is my number 1 grippy girl and one of the best going around in my opinion. Most of these reviews were in the first half of the year and usually my bookings are midday so maybe not the first but definitely not the last so her grip was still in tact when I saw her. Punters still reckon thats the case but if you catch her on the last shift of the day you could fry up a nasi goreng in there I would imagine. She also has a few things going for her, genuinely petite and doll like attractive, doesn't work too much and that asshole is still in tact. If she has an exit option she still has a bright future, which is something I cant say for all the girls.
 
She is my number 1 grippy girl and one of the best going around in my opinion. Most of these reviews were in the first half of the year and usually my bookings are midday so maybe not the first but definitely not the last so her grip was still in tact when I saw her. Punters still reckon thats the case but if you catch her on the last shift of the day you could fry up a nasi goreng in there I would imagine. She also has a few things going for her, genuinely petite and doll like attractive, doesn't work too much and that asshole is still in tact. If she has an exit option she still has a bright future, which is something I cant say for all the girls.
She offers anal?
 
If you got to see her at SC when she was new you probably got to see the best version of her. Look she is pretty but not overtly stunning and even the new photos are flattering. I would guess shes is a bit 'worn' now.
Yes I’m sure you’re right. I saw her three times at SC and service 2<1 and then 3<2<<[.
 
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