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Over the past few months, I've noticed that the culture among active punters on the forum has contributed to a decline in SM-only agency businesses. Furthermore, The Apartment NZ's SM + FS business model has played a role in this trend, alongside other emerging factors such as the growing popularity of Asian companions.

Another reason for this decline is the unattractive, unenthusiastic SM workers who hog doughnuts and charge high prices for extras at Debs. For example, an SM provider from TBB mentioned that it was $150 for DFK on top of the $250 SM, and her massage was initially completely non-sensual. Additionally, there are gold diggers at SR with laminated menus listing exorbitant extra charges.

Also in this tough economy a punters would rather jackhammer their life frustrations into a lubed hole and get more sexual gratification than a $250 HJ.

I was browsing the Perfect Touch roster last week, and they only had Size 12 and Size 14 girls for SM - sweet baby Jesus, I don't want to body slide with a land whale .

What can SM agencies do to improve business ?

Generally,A great GFE can be found at $370 - $400 at FS agencies that includes - 2 FS Shots , 1 BJ DATY, mutual masturbation with proper DFK - soke Asian places also provide shower and play together in that .
SM agencies could start competing with the FS agencies by providing 2 shots HJ in the base SM price and DFK DATY and fingering extras package to punters for not more than 200 dollars .
 
rastag33k said:
Over the past few months, I've noticed that the culture among active punters on the forum has contributed to a decline in SM-only agency businesses. Furthermore, The Apartment NZ's SM + FS business model has played a role in this trend, alongside other emerging factors such as the growing popularity of Asian companions.

Another reason for this decline is the unattractive, unenthusiastic SM workers who hog doughnuts and charge high prices for extras at Debs. For example, an SM provider from TBB mentioned that it was $150 for DFK on top of the $250 SM, and her massage was initially completely non-sensual. Additionally, there are gold diggers at SR with laminated menus listing exorbitant extra charges.

Also in this tough economy a punters would rather jackhammer their life frustrations into a lubed hole and get more sexual gratification than a $250 HJ.

I was browsing the Perfect Touch roster last week, and they only had Size 12 and Size 14 girls for SM - sweet baby Jesus, I don't want to body slide with a land whale .

What can SM agencies do to improve business ?

Generally,A great GFE can be found at $370 - $400 at FS agencies that includes - 2 FS Shots , 1 BJ DATY, mutual masturbation with proper DFK - soke Asian places also provide shower and play together in that .
SM agencies could start competing with the FS agencies by providing 2 shots HJ in the base SM price and DFK DATY and fingering extras package to punters for not more than 200 dollars .
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Land whale is true for some WGs who are 'curvy'
 
It's true. I have noticed the standard sensual massage service in Auckland has dropped off a lot. I think a lot of it is the downward turn of the economy the past couple of years, there's just less punter money out there to go around between the girls and agencies. Some of the really popular girls have left and decided on a career change. And there's a lot more 🍩 eaters in the industry now.

I agree some of them charge way too much for some extra services. It's always been a tough sell for me to go for a Kiwi sensual massage when you can just get full service for the same price by the time you spend $100-150 on extras.

And then of course you have the Asian rub and tug joints that charge like $100-$120 for a massage with happy ending.

Sensual Massage agencies can increase business by going doughnut free! 🚫🍩
 
The skillset and dedication to the craft of a sensual massage is dead.

I saw a popular SM provider from Debs a few months ago, a provider that was praised, but compared to what the experience was like 8-10 years ago, what she provided really wasn't that much different to a naked Chinese rub and tug (aside from the price of course).
 
I’m new to the whole punting world. When I did my research and found out that pricings are basically the same, I wasn’t sure why people bother going to SM in the first place.
 
dodo69 said:
I’m new to the whole punting world. When I did my research and found out that pricings are basically the same, I wasn’t sure why people bother going to SM in the first place.
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Once upon a time, there was a case to be made for SM giving a different and sometimes experience than FS. Haven't been convinced of that view in a long time now. I guess if you're in a relationship, maybe it feels a little less like cheating 🤷‍♂️
 
dodo69 said:
I’m new to the whole punting world. When I did my research and found out that pricings are basically the same, I wasn’t sure why people bother going to SM in the first place.
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Im new but i never did much research. Just the bare minimum & thankfully that bare minimum helped me avoid being bait and switched🤣

Though i rate what your doing now. Coming in ljke a hurricane with these reports, reminds me of myself when i first started🤣 i was doing b2b punts, sometimes 3 punts in a day for a week
 
Shandy said:
Im new but i never did much research. Just the bare minimum & thankfully that bare minimum helped me avoid being bait and switched🤣

Though i rate what your doing now. Coming in ljke a hurricane with these reports, reminds me of myself when i first started🤣 i was doing b2b punts, sometimes 3 punts in a day for a week
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3 in 1 day??? How big are your balls??
 
I think some of the married guys do only SM as they don't see it as cheating to the extent full service is. But still if the Kiwi agencies are overpriced and shit might as well just save 50% and go for a Chinese run and tug. Plus some of those old Chinese aunties are more experienced at wanking cocks than the younger Kiwi massueses anyway!
 
I am not so sure about a decline in sensual massage. At least not for the popular girls at some reputable SM places, as can sometimes be hard to get a booking. I think in general, people don't really discuss much about SM on the forum, just my observations so far.

SM is quite different to FS, fundamentally you can be a starfish and let the girl do all the work. So its naturally physically demanding for the girls. It feels like core, shoulder and leg exercise all the time.
Lol it's actually quite clever that they lure you in with SM and like basic HJ stuff but there is a lot of other extras that you can pay to get you to the finish line. Whereas in FS, you know you are already getting the best thing - sex, and the extras are just icing on the cake.

Also SM girls get all the money from the extra services. So maybe choose something that's reasonably priced, and treat it as a tip! (How i comfort myself) Gotta support those ambitious uni students somehow....
 
darkne33 said:
I am not so sure about a decline in sensual massage. At least not for the popular girls at some reputable SM places, as can sometimes be hard to get a booking. I think in general, people don't really discuss much about SM on the forum, just my observations so far.

SM is quite different to FS, fundamentally you can be a starfish and let the girl do all the work. So its naturally physically demanding for the girls. It feels like core, shoulder and leg exercise all the time.
Lol it's actually quite clever that they lure you in with SM and like basic HJ stuff but there is a lot of other extras that you can pay to get you to the finish line. Whereas in FS, you know you are already getting the best thing - sex, and the extras are just icing on the cake.

Also SM girls get all the money from the extra services. So maybe choose something that's reasonably priced, and treat it as a tip! (How i comfort myself) Gotta support those ambitious uni students somehow....
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SM work is physically demanding which is why the SM ladies are hogging doughnuts and PT and TBB seems to only hire size 12 and 14 land whales these days 😹
 
SM is a scam these days so have nothing to add but will share a SM story instead.

My earlier punting experience were predominately SMs at agency after I got thrown to the wolves by my mates to an auntie B&S FS which I still get PTSD from. This was way before covid times.

So I decided to go SM instead and mainly visited Sensual Relax on K Road because it was close to where I was flatting at the time.

I was shy and nervous as hell even after a few repeated visits, but one thing that always helped was this lovely early 20s brunette kiwi receptionist there, girl next door pretty and always put on the best smile. Rachel was her name.

The 1st time I was there I had no idea what I was doing so she took the time explaining things and even helped pick a girl for me. She sensed my nervous energy and always said something along the lines of "Don't worry you will be fine! Relax and enjoy!" before I step into a booking and would always asked how I find the service before I leave.

I almost look forward to seeing Rachel each time as much as the SM bookings.

One day I had a SM girl prebooked but when I got to the counter it was a different receptionist girl and Rachel was nowhere to be seen. I panicked a bit but more bad news came as new girl told me the SM girl I booked was a no show.

I was truely panicking by then as it was the first time experiencing a cancelled booking, inside I was shouting "Go get Rachel! She can help me!" but no words came out, I just stood there. After a bit of slience the new girl asked if I want to see this other SM girl instead. I wasn't really listening but sort of nodded, I then got usher into the room.

Now lying naked on the massage table looking at the ceiling thinking about B&S and an old hag is about to show up, the door opened and a sweet but familar voice flowed into my ears...

I hastily looked up and there she was Rachel, with the brightest smile but now fully naked with her smooth hot body...

"Hey you! Ready to have some fun??🥰"

My god, I came hard.
 
rastag33k said:
SM work is physically demanding which is why the SM ladies are hogging doughnuts and PT and TBB seems to only hire size 12 and 14 land whales these days 😹
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It's a safety issue as well. Having a land whale 🐋 slide across your back on a massage table can cause serious injury! We might need to petition the council or work safe to enforce a maximum weight limit for all workers a sensual massage agencies!
 
Banana said:
SM is a scam these days so have nothing to add but will share a SM story instead.

My earlier punting experience were predominately SMs at agency after I got thrown to the wolves by my mates to an auntie B&S FS which I still get PTSD from. This was way before covid times.

So I decided to go SM instead and mainly visited Sensual Relax on K Road because it was close to where I was flatting at the time.

I was shy and nervous as hell even after a few repeated visits, but one thing that always helped was this lovely early 20s brunette kiwi receptionist there, girl next door pretty and always put on the best smile. Rachel was her name.

The 1st time I was there I had no idea what I was doing so she took the time explaining things and even helped pick a girl for me. She sensed my nervous energy and always said something along the lines of "Don't worry you will be fine! Relax and enjoy!" before I step into a booking and would always asked how I find the service before I leave.

I almost look forward to seeing Rachel each time as much as the SM bookings.

One day I had a SM girl prebooked but when I got to the counter it was a different receptionist girl and Rachel was nowhere to be seen. I panicked a bit but more bad news came as new girl told me the SM girl I booked was a no show.

I was truely panicking by then as it was the first time experiencing a cancelled booking, inside I was shouting "Go get Rachel! She can help me!" but no words came out, I just stood there. After a bit of slience the new girl asked if I want to see this other SM girl instead. I wasn't really listening but sort of nodded, I then got usher into the room.

Now lying naked on the massage table looking at the ceiling thinking about B&S and an old hag is about to show up, the door opened and a sweet but familar voice flowed into my ears...

I hastily looked up and there she was Rachel, with the brightest smile but now fully naked with her smooth hot body...

"Hey you! Ready to have some fun??🥰"

My god, I came hard.
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That’s a great story mate. I was really hoping it was going to end that way.
 
JohnnyPunter said:
It's a safety issue as well. Having a land whale 🐋 slide across your back on a massage table can cause serious injury! We might need to petition the council or work safe to enforce a maximum weight limit for all workers a sensual massage agencies!
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Mate that is so true. Safety is becoming a real issue.

My concern is if, during a frantic Nuru session, she slides off, and hits a dodgy internal wall. There could be serious injury or death. Imagine having to explain things after the rescuers arrive and fetch you from the rubble of the SM house and with TV cameras rolling.
 
Banana said:
SM is a scam these days so have nothing to add but will share a SM story instead.

My earlier punting experience were predominately SMs at agency after I got thrown to the wolves by my mates to an auntie B&S FS which I still get PTSD from. This was way before covid times.

So I decided to go SM instead and mainly visited Sensual Relax on K Road because it was close to where I was flatting at the time.

I was shy and nervous as hell even after a few repeated visits, but one thing that always helped was this lovely early 20s brunette kiwi receptionist there, girl next door pretty and always put on the best smile. Rachel was her name.

The 1st time I was there I had no idea what I was doing so she took the time explaining things and even helped pick a girl for me. She sensed my nervous energy and always said something along the lines of "Don't worry you will be fine! Relax and enjoy!" before I step into a booking and would always asked how I find the service before I leave.

I almost look forward to seeing Rachel each time as much as the SM bookings.

One day I had a SM girl prebooked but when I got to the counter it was a different receptionist girl and Rachel was nowhere to be seen. I panicked a bit but more bad news came as new girl told me the SM girl I booked was a no show.

I was truely panicking by then as it was the first time experiencing a cancelled booking, inside I was shouting "Go get Rachel! She can help me!" but no words came out, I just stood there. After a bit of slience the new girl asked if I want to see this other SM girl instead. I wasn't really listening but sort of nodded, I then got usher into the room.

Now lying naked on the massage table looking at the ceiling thinking about B&S and an old hag is about to show up, the door opened and a sweet but familar voice flowed into my ears...

I hastily looked up and there she was Rachel, with the brightest smile but now fully naked with her smooth hot body...

"Hey you! Ready to have some fun??🥰"

My god, I came hard.
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By any chance is Rachel still around? :ROFLMAO:
 
Banana said:
SM is a scam these days so have nothing to add but will share a SM story instead.

My earlier punting experience were predominately SMs at agency after I got thrown to the wolves by my mates to an auntie B&S FS which I still get PTSD from. This was way before covid times.

So I decided to go SM instead and mainly visited Sensual Relax on K Road because it was close to where I was flatting at the time.

I was shy and nervous as hell even after a few repeated visits, but one thing that always helped was this lovely early 20s brunette kiwi receptionist there, girl next door pretty and always put on the best smile. Rachel was her name.

The 1st time I was there I had no idea what I was doing so she took the time explaining things and even helped pick a girl for me. She sensed my nervous energy and always said something along the lines of "Don't worry you will be fine! Relax and enjoy!" before I step into a booking and would always asked how I find the service before I leave.

I almost look forward to seeing Rachel each time as much as the SM bookings.

One day I had a SM girl prebooked but when I got to the counter it was a different receptionist girl and Rachel was nowhere to be seen. I panicked a bit but more bad news came as new girl told me the SM girl I booked was a no show.

I was truely panicking by then as it was the first time experiencing a cancelled booking, inside I was shouting "Go get Rachel! She can help me!" but no words came out, I just stood there. After a bit of slience the new girl asked if I want to see this other SM girl instead. I wasn't really listening but sort of nodded, I then got usher into the room.

Now lying naked on the massage table looking at the ceiling thinking about B&S and an old hag is about to show up, the door opened and a sweet but familar voice flowed into my ears...

I hastily looked up and there she was Rachel, with the brightest smile but now fully naked with her smooth hot body...

"Hey you! Ready to have some fun??🥰"

My god, I came hard.
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Omg what a story!

I sighed out loud with a relief after reading the part that she entered the room lol

Who is this mystery person? Maybe she was there just for you.
 
Gripper said:
That’s a great story mate. I was really hoping it was going to end that way.
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jwoo said:
By any chance is Rachel still around? :ROFLMAO:
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darkne33 said:
Omg what a story!

I sighed out loud with a relief after reading the part that she entered the room lol

Who is this mystery person? Maybe she was there just for you.
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This is my go to war story when I drink with my punting mates. And I have been chasing that hot receptionist kink ever since but with FS, you know that "look no touch" hot girl running the phones...

Rachel is now living a happy life overseas, truely deserved a happy ending. Pun intended.
 
I’ve been going to Debonairs since the LBD days, and ever since the new management took over, the place has turned into rubbish. Not only has the service declined, but the quality of the girls has gone down as well. They constantly try to end sessions early.

I stopped going after one of the girls I regularly visited tried to finish the booking 20 minutes early. I looked at the clock, then looked at her. She immediately apologized and said, “Please don’t hate me.” That shows she knew exactly what she was doing. This kind of behavior clearly comes from the top down, management must be allowing or even encouraging it.

Now I’d rather go to a cheaper Chinese massage parlour. Sure, the girls aren’t as young or as “hot” as the Debonairs girls, but at least the mamasan lines them up and lets me choose. Most of the time, if the girl likes you, you can get a upgrade to full service for just $50–$60 on top of the $120 massage. (sometimes free upgrade)

I really don’t see the point of paying $180 or even full service prices just to get mediocre services and extras at places like Debonairs or Sensual Relax.
 
koop said:
I’ve been going to Debonairs since the LBD days, and ever since the new management took over, the place has turned into rubbish. Not only has the service declined, but the quality of the girls has gone down as well. They constantly try to end sessions early.

I stopped going after one of the girls I regularly visited tried to finish the booking 20 minutes early. I looked at the clock, then looked at her. She immediately apologized and said, “Please don’t hate me.” That shows she knew exactly what she was doing. This kind of behavior clearly comes from the top down, management must be allowing or even encouraging it.

Now I’d rather go to a cheaper Chinese massage parlour. Sure, the girls aren’t as young or as “hot” as the Debonairs girls, but at least the mamasan lines them up and lets me choose. Most of the time, if the girl likes you, you can get a upgrade to full service for just $50–$60 on top of the $120 massage. (sometimes free upgrade)

I really don’t see the point of paying $180 or even full service prices just to get mediocre services and extras at places like Debonairs or Sensual Relax.
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Also touching boobs at Sensual Relax is considered an extra. I only visit one girl there, so I’m not sure if the others are the same, but touching her boobs is $100 extra on top of $190 ( total $290)
Fucking DB Girls, standard + NBJ is only $270. Mind blowing really!
 
koop said:
Also touching boobs at Sensual Relax is considered an extra. I only visit one girl there, so I’m not sure if the others are the same, but touching her boobs is $100 extra on top of $190 ( total $290) Fucking DB Girls, standard + NBJ is only $270. Mind blowing really!
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Yeah that was part of the whole controversy with Crystal's. The whole boob touching as a extra thing which varied with the girls. Crystal seemed to be incapable of reigning the girls in and enforcing a consistent agency wide policy.

Why go to a SM place that charges you extra for boobs when others include it for same price or less.

And again if you have to pay extra for boob, full service looks even more like a better deal.
 
koop said:
I’ve been going to Debonairs since the LBD days, and ever since the new management took over, the place has turned into rubbish. Not only has the service declined, but the quality of the girls has gone down as well. They constantly try to end sessions early.

I stopped going after one of the girls I regularly visited tried to finish the booking 20 minutes early. I looked at the clock, then looked at her. She immediately apologized and said, “Please don’t hate me.” That shows she knew exactly what she was doing. This kind of behavior clearly comes from the top down, management must be allowing or even encouraging it.

Now I’d rather go to a cheaper Chinese massage parlour. Sure, the girls aren’t as young or as “hot” as the Debonairs girls, but at least the mamasan lines them up and lets me choose. Most of the time, if the girl likes you, you can get a upgrade to full service for just $50–$60 on top of the $120 massage. (sometimes free upgrade)

I really don’t see the point of paying $180 or even full service prices just to get mediocre services and extras at places like Debonairs or Sensual Relax.
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To be honest it does seem that way. I guess it's because the new owners are two of the working girls. They're probably friends with all their employees and let them get away with things. And one of them has a reputation for over consuming Uber Eats McDonald's and probably also 🍩
 
GripMaster said:
The funniest part is it’s probably the sex forum punters bringing in the donuts.
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It's probably Doak. Bringing in boxes of donuts every time he visits an agency, which he supposedly does every day.

Doak, if you read this. Which I am sure you will. Please do us a favour and switch to garden salads or something. Maybe coffees... but not to much cream and sugar!
 
koop said:
I’ve been going to Debonairs since the LBD days, and ever since the new management took over, the place has turned into rubbish. Not only has the service declined, but the quality of the girls has gone down as well. They constantly try to end sessions early.

I stopped going after one of the girls I regularly visited tried to finish the booking 20 minutes early. I looked at the clock, then looked at her. She immediately apologized and said, “Please don’t hate me.” That shows she knew exactly what she was doing. This kind of behavior clearly comes from the top down, management must be allowing or even encouraging it.

Now I’d rather go to a cheaper Chinese massage parlour. Sure, the girls aren’t as young or as “hot” as the Debonairs girls, but at least the mamasan lines them up and lets me choose. Most of the time, if the girl likes you, you can get a upgrade to full service for just $50–$60 on top of the $120 massage. (sometimes free upgrade)

I really don’t see the point of paying $180 or even full service prices just to get mediocre services and extras at places like Debonairs or Sensual Relax.
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Koop I agree 1000 percent on Debs and SR. The worst bit is that the co-owners, Nikita and Maia, are encouraging these unacceptable behaviours. There are still some simps and suckers who will put up with almost anything, but most blue-collar men will vote with their cocks!
 
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